I'll bet you people in charge hate employees like me

[slick4591[$]]

H.R.: We are implementing employee time sheets that you'll need to fill out and sign. Please remember that you can be prosecuted if you sign it and it's not correct.

Two weeks later...

Me: Here's my time sheet.

H.R.: But this shows you have 45 minutes of overtime.

Me: Yeah. I came in at at 7:45 three mornings and started working. That's where it came from.

H.R.: But you can't have that because it was not previously approved. You'll need to change it.

Me: Nope. I'm not going to purjure myself and sign something that I could be prosecuted for.

H.R.: But you have to or things will get fouled up.

Me: Not my problem. You can give me the overtime, or not. I'm not changing the document. These are your rules I'm having to work with.

Well, come Monday I may not be employed, but I'll be damned if they are going to start something like this, threaten me with it and then ask me to lie about it. I'm a little steamed.

[theworm[$]]

Did you deduct your "potty time"?

[CurtisEdmonds]

I was once told by an employer that I could be fired if I submitted overtime. Theoretically, you could get it, but the agency wasn't funded for it.

[lynnzop[$]]

We were told about a year ago that we had to start logging our time, by project. Mind you, we are salaried, and work on not only a multitude of projects on any given day, but sometimes on stuff that's not even in the system.

I log at least 50% of my hours to Miscellaneous every week in protest. You are supposed to notate whatever "Miscellaneous" is comprised of. I have yet to do it. Screw them.

We're professionals, just as you are, Slick. I think it's a stupid waste of time and I won't play the game.

Lynn

[mjfrombuffalo[$]]

I had a job where we had afternoon meetings that went past my 4pm shift-end time. These meetings went over on a regular basis because everyone just rambled on and on.

We had time clocks then. I had to punch out at 4pm and go back to the meeting. Mind you, if I came in late, I would get docked. They measured in 6-minute increments.

[sleeper54]

Originally posted by slick4591

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Me: Not my problem. You can give me the overtime, or not. I'm not changing the document. These are your rules I'm having to work with.

Well, come Monday I may not be employed, but I'll be damned if they are going to start something like this, threaten me with it and then ask me to lie about it. I'm a little steamed.

Way to be, slick! I am sure there are wage and salary laws that they must follow. Depending on your employment status, etc., etc., etc., I would think they might be legally required to pay overtime...:-)

Hopefully they'll clear up what time you are allowed to 'start' working each day...:-)

At my workplace 7:07 is on time while 7:08 is late. Some will play that game until a manager tells them they are expected to be 'ready-to-work' at 7:00. And I think they would tell us to not clock in at 6:45 if our start time is 7:00...:-)


...tom...

[Prepoia[$]]

You know, your legal issues are probably faceious but we're playing a new game at work too. And I'm not sure about what my legal issues would involve.

The school district decided that it would be better to take attendance at school using the computer. We had to keep an attendance book (written by hand like we always did) and then we had to print out the compter version as well. Our first audit is in two weeks and I handed both copies (as requested) into the office girl that takes care of attendance. I signed (like always) my version of the attendance report....that's my job responsibility. But, they sent back the computer version (which is mainly kept up by the office girl and she has access to change what we put in and often does) and I was told that I HAVE TO sign each page of that document (about 50 sheets) as well. Hey, I don't know what she did and didn't change and we lose about $5000 for each error the auditor finds. My guess is there are a lot of discrepancies between the computer and me. When a kid arrives 10 minutes before the bell rings and I've already marked him absent, I'm usually a bit busy teaching (I know, how could I?) to run to the computer and change any discrepancies. And I'm sure there are many times I forget and don't do it. I actually protest that I have to mark a kid present for the whole hour when he's only there 10 minutes anyway (who will stand up for me when this Johnny can't read?).

So, I didn't give it back signed today. I'm bringing it up at the staff meeting (for the 4th time and with many others who feel the same way). But, what if I'm told I still HAVE to sign it? She's probably more accurate than I am because she knows the system better. That's not my issue.....it's how can I sign and be held responsible for something that someone else has access to .

I'm sure this all made no sense but it felt good venting a bit

Sandy

[mrisch[$]]

Originally posted by lynnzop
We're professionals, just as you are, Slick. I think it's a stupid waste of time and I won't play the game.

Huh? Professionals log their time all the time. Lawyers do, consultants do, accountants do, even in companies. I can understand it being a pain, and far worse is when it is not in the system or you have Slick's issue.

I think it has nothing to do with being a professional though.

[magenta321]

We used to have logs that looked like this:

scheduled patient name:
scheduled time:
actual start time:
end time:

We had to do it all day long. Some days we put "too busy to log". One day they came up with an even more complicated form to fill out. In protest, we put "too busy to log" and then made our own column that said "time to fill out this stupid form: 30 seconds".

TPTB didn't like that move. Glad it wasn't myself that wrote it

[MrsNormanMaine[$]]

If you want idiotic paperwork, become a physician.

MNM !queen

[lynnzop[$]]

Originally posted by mjfrombuffalo
I had to punch out at 4pm and go back to the meeting.

Somebody whack me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's illegal. We had all kinds of lawsuits when I was in retail (not MY store ) regarding working off the clock.

Originally posted by mrisch


Huh? Professionals log their time all the time. Lawyers do, consultants do, accountants do, even in companies.

Oops, you are absolutely correct. However, attorneys log BILLABLE time, right? Slick, is your time billable to a client?

Mine's not. It's a dumb policy.

And being told you aren't being paid for overtime is even dumber...and probably illegal as well.

Lynn

[murasaki]

Slick, if you work for the government, and I think you do, I know the federal government has policies about getting prior approval for overtime because of budget constraints (I'm guessing that state and local governments are similar). However, they have to pay for overtime if you actually worked it, even if it's not pre-approved (emergenices, etc., happen). Asking you to change your time card is illegal, and once it gets entered into the pay system, it's even worse if they try to change the time card.

At my battalion on Okinawa, we got hit with a manpower survey. Everybody had to log what they were working on all day. I did it, but most of my hours fell under administrative (answering emails) or meetings (whenever a soldier needed to talk to me, that was a meeting, however informal). Of course, just to be snide, I logged at least 15 minutes every day that I had to spend filling out that damn manpower survey.

--naomi

[slick4591[$]]

We do have policies covering overtime and it must be authorized before they will give it to you. Hell, it's not even money, it's comp time. But that's not an issue with me. My issue is making up another BS government redtape function that doesn't mean crap until THEY decide that it does. With their decision today it tells me it's okay to lie on a government record if it make life easier for them. But if you lie about coming in 15 minutes late you'll get fired and prosecuted. Damn! I'm tired of these folks picking and chosing how they want to enforce things. In my situation I don't expect the time. All I expect is to be told that the time was not approved. I damn sure didn't expect to be asked to purjure myself.

Ya know what else sticks in my craw? I've been with them over 18 years and have put in many an hour for free. (No, Lynne, I don't have billable hours.) Why is it now that they suddenly don't trust how I've worked all those years?

[frazzledspice]

Well, hey, Dennis, did I hear you talking about retiring?

In New York City, the policemen and firemen work 100 hours a week the year before they retire (or however many hours they can eak out.) That's because they get half their last year's pay in pension benefits (it might have been tightened up for newer employees, but that's how it was for many years.)

Some managed to get more in pension benefits than their base salaries.

Can you pull that off in Texas?

[slick4591[$]]

I could stick around and work until I'm 62 and get a full check, but with the way things are going around there now I'll settle for half a check.

[poseidon]

Sheesh.

We get our supervisors to sign in our time sheets... I don't even see them!

The only time sheets that I ever see are the ones I have to sign when I take a day off.

Jeff