I bet Pippa's frothing at the mouth this morning...

*emeleel* · #1 12-19-2007, 10:07 AM

...at THIS BIT of celebuspawn news.

How is it Leslie puts it? BLARG. Yeah.

**drmomentum**[$] · #2 12-19-2007, 10:33 AM

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"It was a shock for both of us, so unexpected," she said. "I was in complete and total shock and so was he."

You mean she didn't plan to get pregnant at 16? But then again, it couldn't have been a complete and total shock.

**pippadaisy**[$] · #3 12-19-2007, 11:25 AM

Their mom must be SO proud. And let's not forget... she's in the process of cranking out a Christian parenting book. Since she's such a role model for the rest of us moms and all.

*emeleel* · #4 12-19-2007, 12:05 PM

That must be some DESPERATE "Christian" publisher, there.

**pippadaisy**[$] · #5 12-19-2007, 12:09 PM

I'm wondering if they'll scuttle it now. Her Britney excuse was that she couldn't be out on the road with her when she had other kids at home to take care of. (Here's a hint: KEEP HER HOME TOO THEN! DUH!)

Now that you can see the job she did with the ones she DID take care of while she neglected the one, I think we can all draw our own conclusions.

I swear... I'm at that point where I'm starting to think that parents who put their kids into the industry should be charged with abuse. Or at least have a guardian ad litem until they reach the age of consent.

phoenixx · #6 12-19-2007, 12:46 PM

I dunno, you get examples like Natalie Portman, too. I think it is down to the parents to pay attention and make sure their kids are centered and if they aren't willing or able, they don't need to put their kids in front of the camera.

**Prepoia**[$] · #7 12-19-2007, 12:53 PM

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pippadaisy said

I'm wondering if they'll scuttle it now. Her Britney excuse was that she couldn't be out on the road with her when she had other kids at home to take care of. (Here's a hint: KEEP HER HOME TOO THEN! DUH!)

Now that you can see the job she did with the ones she DID take care of while she neglected the one, I think we can all draw our own conclusions.

I swear... I'm at that point where I'm starting to think that parents who put their kids into the industry should be charged with abuse. Or at least have a guardian ad litem until they reach the age of consent.

If the world is really a lucky place, she'll find a way to clone herself as a mother. Sarcasm is intended.

**drmomentum**[$] · #8 12-19-2007, 12:59 PM

She and Mike Huckabee should start a daycare.

**pippadaisy**[$] · #9 12-19-2007, 01:33 PM

Natalie Portman is an anomaly in the industry, by far. More parents (Fannings, I'm talking to you) who insist on having kids in the industry would do well to follow their example. Her parents were more interested in keeping their daughter safe and well-adjusted than in fame and fortune, and turned down far more parts for her than she took based on their opinion of not only scripts, but also everyone involved in the project. Unfortunately, there are more Lohan and Spears families than there are Portmans.

Magick1 · #10 12-20-2007, 01:41 PM

I heard the book is on hold, indefinitely today. But, I don't recall where and don't have time to find a link. Sorry!

**lynnzop**[$] · #11 12-20-2007, 01:54 PM

Heard the same thing.

Mama Spears - Not This Year's Role Model for Parenting

brian_igo · #12 12-20-2007, 03:15 PM

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drmomentum said

She and Mike Huckabee should start a daycare.

Spit take.

**amykhar** · #13 12-20-2007, 04:47 PM

Dumb question. Now, I am by no means saying Lynn Spears is a good mother. But, do we blame all mothers of teen girls (or boys) who conceive a child out of wedlock or just this one? None of us have kids who have gotten pregnant before they were married. (That I know of, anyway.) But, do only bad parents face that situation?

**pippadaisy**[$] · #14 12-20-2007, 04:58 PM

Amy, not in general, no. But when you are writing a PARENTING book and you claim that daughter number one, who is currently World's Most Famous Crazy imploded because you were pouring your whole heart and soul into the children at home (who also ended up in the entertainment industry SOMEHOW... must be they FELL there), then you are wearing a big fat target.

I do want to add that I plan on sending all four of mine out into the world with a Wrath of Mom speech and a box of condoms.

**mtomm**[$] · #15 12-20-2007, 05:13 PM

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amykhar said

Dumb question. Now, I am by no means saying Lynn Spears is a good mother. But, do we blame all mothers of teen girls (or boys) who conceive a child out of wedlock or just this one? None of us have kids who have gotten pregnant before they were married. (That I know of, anyway.) But, do only bad parents face that situation?

I was thinking the same thing. I'm not sure it is fair to hold this mother to a higher standard than we would those we know personally. I'd have sympathy and not disdain for any friend that had a similar situation.

However, I still find myself quite judgmental of these parents for some reason.

**pippadaisy**[$] · #16 12-20-2007, 05:20 PM

Margo, I'd like to think that I wouldn't be friends with anyone who pimps their kids out for fame and fortune, though, too.

**theworm**[$] · #17 12-20-2007, 07:58 PM

as long as kids have hormones, there are going to be pregnant teenagers. A pregnant teenager is NOT the sign of a bad parent.
That being said - for other reasons, I don't think Momma Spiers should be put on a pedestal for parenting.

**Prepoia**[$] · #18 12-20-2007, 11:05 PM

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theworm said

as long as kids have hormones, there are going to be pregnant teenagers. A pregnant teenager is NOT the sign of a bad parent.
That being said - for other reasons, I don't think Momma Spiers should be put on a pedestal for parenting.

I agree. I didn't have a pregnant teen but teens with wonderful parents often get pregnant because of bad choices not bad parenting. However, this mother has now two daughters in the public eye that display no part of good parenting skills...not the kind that would produce a credible book on good parenting. I would never read such a book from someone that pimps their own kids nor would I find the examples she's shown us to be what I would emulate when raising my own children.

magenta321 · #19 12-20-2007, 11:28 PM

None of you were going to read the Spears parenting book anyway

IF you were going to, it would be with a grain of salt, or with a lot of laughter.

I don't really think a pregnant teen necessarily reflects badly on the parents. I have known parents who have done a lot to safegaurd their teens, and yet, they still had to deal with pregant teenagers. Let's face it, there are a lot of pressures on teens. They have hormones raging. They have an education system that doesn't properly teach them about safe sex (I'm sorry, but abstinence only is bullshit, and most kids aren't going to follow it). They have peer pressure to have unprotected sex because "it feels better." In some households, owning condoms could get the child in trouble, or at least make them fear that they would be in trouble. Condoms also cost money, and aren't always on hand. If both parties are claiming to be virgins, then the STD fear might be taken away, and stupid urban legends about pregnancy (can't get pregnant the first time, can't get pregnant in certain positions, can't get pregnant if he pulls out...) might "rule" the teen's decision process.

There's a million reasons why a teen might choose to have unprotected sex, and the majority of them don't reflect in any way on the parent.

*emeleel* · #20 12-21-2007, 12:38 AM

*One* preggers teen is not necessarily a sign of a bad parent. One preggers teen + an older sister who has pulled THAT many CARAZEEEEEEE stunts, even after having two children of her own is definitely a sign of a bad parent. Sorry, but she obviously doesn't have her head screwed on right in the parenting department.

**jgibson2**[$] · #21 12-21-2007, 01:07 AM

I see a lot of teen moms. Some have bad parents. Some have good parents. Some have parents who should be taken out and shot.

When I see the mother of a 13 year old mom acting like the 28 year old who knocked up her daughter is really a special guy, I want to have BOTH of them arrested. WTF are they thinking?

When I see a co-worker decide that she needs to work full-time EVENING shift when she has 4 teenage girls so they can have all the latest trendy items - even as one after another gets pregnant before age 16, I want to have the whole lot of them sterilized.

When I see someone working 60-70 hrs/week and leaving her kid with his alcoholic grandmother so she can pay for vacation homes and trips to Mexico, I am SO not surprised when he knocks up a series of chicks whose mothers aren't candidates for mother-of-the-year either.

I'm a cynic, I know, but there are reasons.

And then I see another acquaintance who has, to the best of my knowledge, barely let her 16 year old out of her sight become a grandmother, I know that they're not all bad moms. Sometimes the kids make bad choices in spite of all your efforts - and your condoms.