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11-05-2005, 04:40 PM
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Dick Cheney is now 18 points behind the number of people who believe alien beings have secretly contacted the U.S. government.
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11-06-2005, 07:08 AM
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Well, it just goes to show: nice to have a good front man. Bush's approval is double that. |
11-06-2005, 09:10 AM
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I wondered why this is in the Symposium.  After all, does ANYONE debate that Cheney is doing a good job? Has anyone ever? 
Just prior to the 2004 elections, I got a call from Gallup or some other survey company. One thing that stuck with me was that when they asked why I rated Cheney so low, my single reply was "I have no idea what he's done as VP." He's got to be one of the single most ineffective politician's I've seen.
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11-06-2005, 09:29 AM
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Lynn Here's why it's in the symposium: I disagree! although we're both really on topic - we both don't like Cheney, you because you think he's ineffective, me because I think he's been scarily effective behind the scenes - e.g., his old buddies at Haliburton getting no-bid contracts...
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11-06-2005, 10:31 AM
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If Wilkerson is to be believed, Cheney has been, indeed, scarily effective -- it's just that his agenda has made a mess of this country, particularly in Iraq. Halliburton has, according to latest reports, been ripping off the Iraqis as well as the DoD.
Fortunately, most people seem to be finally realizing that "doing a good job" is a little more than lining the pockets of your cronies and pushing an agenda behind the scenes that most Americans don't favor -- remember the Vice President's Energy Task Force, composed of members from the energy industry and whose deliberations are still secret?
And also, referring to the modern myth about presidents elected in years divisble by 20, notice how there have been no assassination attempts on Bush? Americans aren't so dumb after all. |
11-06-2005, 01:30 PM
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I think he was good at spying on the state department. And that whole torture thing was a real hit with the paleos.
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11-06-2005, 02:41 PM
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And also, referring to the modern myth about presidents elected in years divisble by 20, notice how there have been no assassination attempts on Bush? Americans aren't so dumb after all.
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11-06-2005, 03:20 PM
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Not to worry, he’ll get some sympathy votes when he’s indicted. He was just doing his job, and then that meanie Fitzgerald said those awful things about him — the nerve of some people! |
11-06-2005, 04:34 PM
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That high? I'm surprised.
But I do think that sometimes Cheney gets a bad rap. Bush is so good at playing the disingenuous, inarticulate bumbler that it's easy to believe that someone else is pulling the strings and that, underneath it all, he's an innocent dupe.
In truth, I think that Bush possesses a lot of street smarts and knows more and is responsible for more than he lets on.
As a matter of fact, I think his popularity rating should be 19%, too. |
11-06-2005, 05:33 PM
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Quote: | frazzledspice said
That high? I'm surprised. | I originally thought the news was that Cheney has an approval rating. Apparently, he's made an impression on somebody! |
11-07-2005, 11:27 AM
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Quote: | lynnzop said
Just prior to the 2004 elections, I got a call from Gallup or some other survey company. One thing that stuck with me was that when they asked why I rated Cheney so low, my single reply was "I have no idea what he's done as VP." He's got to be one of the single most ineffective politician's I've seen. | LMAO. But, let's be fair here. Most VPs do very little more than attend funerals in other countries and, every so often, cast a tie-breaking vote in the Senate. |
11-07-2005, 11:30 AM
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Quote: | frazzledspice said
That high? I'm surprised.
But I do think that sometimes Cheney gets a bad rap. Bush is so good at playing the disingenuous, inarticulate bumbler that it's easy to believe that someone else is pulling the strings and that, underneath it all, he's an innocent dupe.
In truth, I think that Bush possesses a lot of street smarts and knows more and is responsible for more than he lets on.
As a matter of fact, I think his popularity rating should be 19%, too. | How can that be? I thought Bush was supposed to be dumb, and that he doesn't know what is going on (ever), and that he's got handlers and all that fancy stuff.
Liberals are funny. Bush is so dumb that he's smart. |
11-07-2005, 12:06 PM
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By his own admission, he doesn't read newspapers and relies on his advisors for information. Already, that's not such a smart move. |
11-07-2005, 12:46 PM
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But you guys think he is so smart now. How can you be so dumb and so smart at the same time? |
11-07-2005, 01:52 PM
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Assuming we're still talking about Bush, I don't think he's particularly intelligent. I think he's shrewd, which is not the same thing. |
11-07-2005, 01:58 PM
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One post gave Bush credit for "street smarts" and suddenly all Liberals are saying Bush is dumb and smart at the same time?  Quote: | drm said
I originally thought the news was that Cheney has an approval rating. | That was my first thought when I saw the title of the thread a few days ago!
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11-07-2005, 02:44 PM
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Quote: | poseidon said
How can that be? I thought Bush was supposed to be dumb, and that he doesn't know what is going on (ever), and that he's got handlers and all that fancy stuff. | You never worked for someone who was as dumb as a box of hammers when it came to leading people or knowing how things get done, but could play the office politics game like a maestro?
Being factually stupid and vindictively manipulative or conniving are not mutually exclusive, in fact I would consider it the most-common recipie for a bad manager or leader. If you don't have the talent or brains to get something done, the only way left is to bullshit your way through it and screw anyone who poses a threat.
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11-07-2005, 04:31 PM
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One post gave Bush credit for "street smarts" and suddenly all Liberals are saying Bush is dumb and smart at the same time? | Interestingly enough, I don't see the word all used in posts. |
11-07-2005, 04:35 PM
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You never worked for someone who was as dumb as a box of hammers when it came to leading people or knowing how things done, but could play the office politics game like a maestro? | Sure, I've seen dumb people who can play office politics. But, that doesn't mean that they're "smart" or Machiavellian. It means they're dumb but smart enough to know who not to piss off and whose ass needs to be kissed in order to get where they want to be. |
11-07-2005, 04:54 PM
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Interestingly enough, I don't see the word all used in posts. | Didn't see you use "some" either. Quote: | jeff said
Liberals are funny....
But you guys think he is so smart now...
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11-07-2005, 06:20 PM
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Quote: | poseidon said
Sure, I've seen dumb people who can play office politics. But, that doesn't mean that they're "smart" or Machiavellian. It means they're dumb but smart enough to know who not to piss off and whose ass needs to be kissed in order to get where they want to be. | Speaking just for myself, this is the only definition of "smart" I've ever been willing to give GWB. (You did forget in your description the talent to punish anyone who poses a threat. An incompetent manager who doesn't know how to take out someone who is smarter or works harder is as impotent as a would-be bully who doesn't have a right hook.)
I wouldn't call it street smarts like Frazz did, and I think the expression "Machiavellian" has been so often misused that it no longer has a clear meaning. But I do think these things Bush does is driven by malicious intent because the purpose of things like outing Valerie Plame and firing IG's who challenged no-bid contracts is to achieve what he could not get on his merits.
He's the pointy-haired president, dangerously incompetent on the facts and issues, and unable to see that his vision is utterly detached from reality. (Do you all remember that this crowd honestly believed they could create an Arab state that would be an ally of Israel? What the hell were they smoking?)
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