Go Back   EA Forums > Water Cooler Conversation > Symposium

Symposium Intelligent political and social debate. In order to post in this forum, you must agree to a behavioral contract.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-05-2007, 09:48 AM
eris esoteric's Avatar
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,886
eris esoteric is on a distinguished road
I've figured out one of the fundamental laws of the universe...

Keeping in mind the law of conservation of energy, which states that energy cannot be created or destroyed...

Destruction generates energy.

Creation consumes energy.

Discuss.

 
__________________
Axis of Evil (You know you want to join)
Emergency Backup Curmudgeon

"Wow, sometimes violence is the OPPOSITE of helpful" ~~ Pete Abrams
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-06-2007, 12:38 PM
rmthunter's Avatar
Epinions Members
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: The City In A Garden
Posts: 5,237
rmthunter will become famous soon enough
Re I've figured out one of the fundamental laws of the universe...

Assuming that when you speak of "creation" and "destruction" you are talking about creating or destroying materials objects of some sort, it's really pretty simple: creation and destruction are merely alterations in the state of the energy involved between material and non-material. So rather than saying "Destruction generates energy," it's probably more accurate to say "Destruction releases energy." And "Creation consumes energy" should be stated as "Creation binds energy."
 
__________________
Hunter at Random: First Causes, Life's Little Ironies, Adventures in Meta-Blogging
Visit Booklag, just to say hi.
a/k/a Hunter -- still adding galleries

"Senator, when you took your oath of office, you placed your hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. You did not place your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible." -- Jamie Raskin

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-06-2007, 10:40 PM
eris esoteric's Avatar
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 5,886
eris esoteric is on a distinguished road
Re I've figured out one of the fundamental laws of the universe...

Actually, I think it's even simpler. Creation is the conversion of energy into matter, and destruction is the conversion of matter into energy.
 
__________________
Axis of Evil (You know you want to join)
Emergency Backup Curmudgeon

"Wow, sometimes violence is the OPPOSITE of helpful" ~~ Pete Abrams
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-07-2007, 05:00 AM
drmomentum's Avatar
Usagi Yojimbo
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: The Birthplace of American Democracy
Posts: 16,742
drmomentum will become famous soon enoughdrmomentum will become famous soon enough
Re I've figured out one of the fundamental laws of the universe...

At the chemical level, which is where most of our biological experience with energy happens, there is no matter-energy conversion. Energy comes from breaking molecular bonds, but mass is also preserved in those reactions.

Energy is bound when the sun shines on a plant and that plant stores the energy by transforming certain chemicals into other chemicals. When we eat the plant, our bodies break those chemicals apart and release the energy. But the mass is still there. The food you eat+your start weight = your end weight+what you excrete.

If you eat too much food energy, your body uses the extra to transform some chemicals into fat, and stores that just like the plant stores carbohydrates. The fat isn't made of energy, but there is energy stored in the chemical bonds with the potential to be released. Fat is a really efficient chemical energy storage system, though, and that's why it takes so long for your body to break up those fat molecules and get rid of them.

A simpler version of the same idea, but on a larger scale, you're acting like the plant when you lift a heavy rock over your head -- storing potential energy by raising the rock higher in the Earth's gravity field. You've made a sort of physical battery. If you let the rock drop onto a Windows Vista Laptop Computer, you convert the potential energy into kinetic energy and use it to do work: smashing a laptop. But the rock still weighs the same.

If you're talking about the sub-atomic, well then I guess things get really weird. But that level is beyond our practical everyday experience.

-JP
 
__________________
Aces Full of Links is Dr. Momentum's blog

Proud American
Often skeptical of the grand romance of war.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I've finally figured it all out! hadassahchana The Four Horsemen 4 03-11-2005 12:34 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:19 PM.


Menu
Quizzes
More Forums
Gallery


Powered by: vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5
Content on EA Forums may not be duplicated without permission
Page generated in 0.15974 seconds with 11 queries