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09-07-2008, 09:16 AM
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Quote: conradd said
 Given that I posted a video excerpt and part of the transcript, I don't think he was misquoted. | Did someone claim he was misquoted?
He starts off with a statement that is simply not true -- see this comment by Ezra Klein, who tracks these things pretty carefully and is, in addition, a certified number-cruncher. Quote: |
He was giving his opinion on media bias in the current election.
| As for the press' liberal bias -- I can't believe that one's coming out again. McCain quite arguably has gotten very careful handling by the corporate press. If you follow someone like Bob Somerby at Daily Howler, it's pretty well covered. Quote: |
Do you have a problem with a media figure who has previously criticized both the right and the left expressing his opinion on media bias?
| If he's simply restating the right-wing talking points of the last thirty years or so, yes.
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09-07-2008, 03:54 PM
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Quote: rmthunter said
Did someone claim he was misquoted?
He starts off with a statement that is simply not true -- see this comment by Ezra Klein, who tracks these things pretty carefully and is, in addition, a certified number-cruncher. | Well, I wasn't sure exactly what your objection was and I couldn't open the link you posted. But, if your rebuttal to Dobb's opinion depends on an Ezra Klein post on The American Patriot site (mission statement includes "Through dogged reporting, cool analysis, witty commentary and passionate argument, the Prospect strives to beat back the right wing"), then I'm not even going to bother engaging in discussion. If what Lou Dobbs said was incorrect, that's one thing. I don't think it was but if you have data to prove me wrong, by all means post it. Countering with a link to liberal opinion on a liberal site that I couldn't even open isn't proof of anything.
I guess I could be considered a "certified" number-cruncher too - I teach research and statistics at the undergraduate and graduate level and 36 hours of data analysis courses in grad school satisfied the foreign language requirement in my PhD program. One thing that has taught me is to look beyond the opinion at the numbers themselves. I'll admit, I haven't done my own data analysis on this, including doing a media search to determine the numbers of Obama v. McCain mentions, crosstabbed into positive v. negative slants. However, if I were funded to do such a study, my research hypothesis would be that there is a media slant. Just sayin.
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09-07-2008, 06:15 PM
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I saw O'Reilly call Obama a "bloviator." To his face.
I have not seen Sarah Palin sit through that sort of criticism, and I doubt you will see her agree to an interview where anyone says the word "lied" or "bloviated" to her.
Right now, we're told that she needs to be treated like royalty before she'll be interviewed. Quote: |
"So until at which point in time we feel like the news media is going to treat her with some level of respect and deference, I think it would be foolhardy to put her out into that kind of environment."
| Who cares when she's interviewed. This tells us what we need to know about her disposition and temperament, and the McCain campaign's approach to seeking a softball interview for her. When they get that first interview, everyone will make a big deal, there'll be a lot of ring kissing, and even if they ask her to justify her distortions, she won't really be pressed with tough follow-ups like Biden gets on Meet the Press, or disrespectful accusations of "bloviation" as Obama is subject to.
This media bias is a selective memory fiction. It may be a popular fiction, and it may well play a part in the election, but we can only believe it if we're not watching all the coverage. News Hounds: FOX News Still Trying To Portray Obama As A Muslim
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09-07-2008, 06:19 PM
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To head off any criticisms of "how can it be a smear to call him a Muslim" -- I have personally met people who buy into the idea that Obama is a Muslim whop was educated in a Saudi-financed madrassa, and that's why they could never vote for him.
So, if anyone doesn't like the word "smear" we can come up with another word for a distortion of his biography and character that makes him unpalatable to the population. But smear is fairly close to the mark.
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09-07-2008, 08:45 PM
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09-07-2008, 08:55 PM
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Looks like ABC has rolled out the red carpet. | Was that one of the requirements from the campaign? 
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09-07-2008, 09:07 PM
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09-07-2008, 11:17 PM
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Quote: drmomentum said
Was that one of the requirements from the campaign?
-JP | Nope. Just following your lead.  Quote: | drmomentum said
Right now, we're told that she needs to be treated like royalty before she'll be interviewed. | |
09-08-2008, 03:10 AM
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Heh. Quote: |
MSNBC is removing Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews as the anchors of live political events, bowing to growing criticism that they are too opinionated to be seen as neutral in the heat of the presidential campaign.
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09-10-2008, 09:45 AM
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In the first place, I think that the media serves as a check and balance to let us know when candidates are lying and when they are telling the truth.
And there are biased media on both sides. When you're preaching to the choir, you can say what you want. I had Fox News on for a brief period, and they followed a commercial bragging about "how fair and impartial" they were with a Sarah Palin biography criticizing the "radical left wingers" who dislike her. In cases like that, the media needs other media to serve as a check and balance. (John Stewart, perhaps?)
Sarah Palin has never had a press interview. I guess she figures if the worst President in history managed to survive by the skin of his teeth by avoiding press conferences, she can, too.
But tomorrow, on the day her son leaves for Iraq, she has agreed to be interviewed by Charles Gibson. I guess if he asks tough questions, she can dab at her eyes with a handkerchief and say, "Oh, dear, this has been such a difficult day for me. My heroic son has gone off to follow God's plan in Iraq, God's plan that I outlined in detail when I spoke before my non-denominational church last month (and on you-tube.)"
She has a built-in way to change the subject. How manipulative.
But, thank God, there are some pit-bulls with lipstick (and without lipstick) in the media who will soon get fed up with this woman evading them and yanking their chains, who may decide it's God's will to learn a little more about the evasive Palin. |
09-10-2008, 02:16 PM
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The media are being so tough on Palin that CBS is removing pages of fact-checking from their website: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/politics/animal/main4414049.shtml - Google Search
You can still read the article in the Google cached version. I guess there's gold in pressuring the media not to scrutinize your candidate. |
09-10-2008, 02:33 PM
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It's here
Note that CBS says it gives you "Political Animal from our partner Washington Monthly." It may be that links from the Washington Monthly site automatically expire at some point and may not be part of pressure put on CBS. CBS is still presenting other items from Washington Monthly here, but nothing as old as 9/4/08, the original date of the fact-checking article.
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09-10-2008, 03:45 PM
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Where am I going to go for my anti-Palin fix if not CBS? |
09-10-2008, 04:08 PM
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I've decided to strictly stick with Uncle Jay.
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09-10-2008, 04:24 PM
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09-10-2008, 05:11 PM
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Quote: mjfrombuffalo said
| MJ makes my day. She gets me, even when I'm not funny. (Well, most of the time she gets it.)
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09-10-2008, 05:14 PM
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Please tell me Trig is short for something.
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09-10-2008, 05:19 PM
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No. Palin kids' names
Bristol was named for where they fish
Willow is a town
Piper is a bush plane
Track was born during track season
Trig is Norse for "true" or "strength"
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It's extraordinary to me that the United States can find $700 billion to save Wall Street and the entire G8 can't find $25 billion dollars to save 25,000 children who die every day from preventable diseases.~ Bono |
09-10-2008, 05:23 PM
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Quote: drmomentum said
Where am I going to go for my anti-Palin fix if not CBS? | Turnabout is fair play - CBS makes Youtube take down a webad using Katie Couric footage
Ah, but CBS seems to have cause: Quote: |
In the original clip, [Couric] was talking about Hillary Clinton; the ad applies her words to Sarah Palin.
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09-10-2008, 06:39 PM
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I hope track is glad he wasn't born during basketball season.
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09-10-2008, 11:35 PM
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Why, Amy? You have a problem with the name "Hoops?"
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