Humor as Spirit?

**taurusmoon** · #1 11-09-2005, 01:42 PM

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Uno said

(and also here, in italian spirito = spirit and also houmor.... senso di spirito = sens of houmor.... approximately)

Those who know me, know that I place tremendous value in humor. Uno's statement spoke volumes to me.

It's fascinating to me how the meaning of a simple concept like humor can differ so between societies. The connection of humor to spirit rings so true to me that as soon as I saw this my eyes lit up. It sent me to an English language dictionary to confirm what I had suspected. The English word humor comes froms and Old French word meaning moisture. Archaic usage refers to bodily fluids.

So, the Italians feel that humor is of the spirit. The Anglo Saxons assign it to the body.

Is one more accurate than the other? Is there a valid argument for both sources? Or are they both off base?

**theworm**[$] · #2 11-09-2005, 03:39 PM

I don't think "accurate" is the right term because it depends on one's viewpoint, but in my way of thinking, humor is much more part of spirit than body. I think that humor lives on - past the life of a body. It is a part of our personality and spirit.

I find it interesting that the word comes from "moisture" or bodily fluids. I have a hard time linking humor with the physical.

Uno · #3 11-09-2005, 04:17 PM

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taurusmoon said

Those who know me, know that I place tremendous value in humor. Uno's statement spoke volumes to me.

It's fascinating to me how the meaning of a simple concept like humor can differ so between societies. The connection of humor to spirit rings so true to me that as soon as I saw this my eyes lit up. It sent me to an English language dictionary to confirm what I had suspected. The English word humor comes froms and Old French word meaning moisture. Archaic usage refers to bodily fluids.

So, the Italians feel that humor is of the spirit. The Anglo Saxons assign it to the body.

Is one more accurate than the other? Is there a valid argument for both sources? Or are they both off base?

also in Italian umori also= bodily fluids and also= psychological state (not only joke)
this can to be a interesting argument beyond the specific word.
we are in various stocks.. roots, Italian, Franch, Spanish derive from the Latin, are languages Latin, English and German derive from Nord Europe language, Celtic....
but already only these words indicate a common origin of all our civilization.
a lot of what we are comes from Egypt, Europe and consequently America, I have news that also "your" ancient civilizations Mayan, Inca, Atzechi have a lot in common with Egypt.
This could makes to think many things us:
we would not have makes wars or to hate us
and also more important to know that the wisdom of the past, even if it is not found more entire, can be tried in all the countries and traditions to pieces.

Uno · #4 11-09-2005, 04:26 PM

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theworm said

I don't think "accurate" is the right term because it depends on one's viewpoint, but in my way of thinking, humor is much more part of spirit than body. I think that humor lives on - past the life of a body. It is a part of our personality and spirit.

I find it interesting that the word comes from "moisture" or bodily fluids. I have a hard time linking humor with the physical.

Succeeds you never of being sad and to be badly physically?
For example you suffer for love from one person and makes badly the abdomen you
The spirit is not detached from the body, "mens sane in corpore sane" (latin) ..... healthy mind in healthy body

**taurusmoon** · #5 11-09-2005, 04:53 PM

The ancients used to tie the emotions into the bodily fluids (i.e. melancholy from bile, sanguine from blood) and I'm sure all of us have gotten pissed off at one time or another.

The humors as they called them took in all the facets of temperament. It fascinates me how the use of the word humor has evolved.

**taurusmoon** · #6 11-09-2005, 04:55 PM

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Uno said

we are in various stocks.. roots, Italian, Franch, Spanish derive from the Latin, are languages Latin, English and German derive from Nord Europe language, Celtic....
but already only these words indicate a common origin of all our civilization.
a lot of what we are comes from Egypt, Europe and consequently America, I have news that also "your" ancient civilizations Mayan, Inca, Atzechi have a lot in common with Egypt.
This could makes to think many things us:
we would not have makes wars or to hate us
and also more important to know that the wisdom of the past, even if it is not found more entire, can be tried in all the countries and traditions to pieces.

A start of a new thread?

Uno · #7 11-09-2005, 05:26 PM

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taurusmoon said

The ancients used to tie the emotions into the bodily fluids (i.e. melancholy from bile, sanguine from blood) and I'm sure all of us have gotten pissed off at one time or another.

The humors as they called them took in all the facets of temperament. It fascinates me how the use of the word humor has evolved.

For you, are only superstition, ignorance? Or the ancients knew something that we have forgotten?

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taurusmoon said

A start of a new thread?

Only one? All the forum will not be enough but we try

**taurusmoon** · #8 11-09-2005, 06:22 PM

I'm sure we as a race have forgotten a great of wisdom.

Me, I've forgotten what I had for breakfast today.

**theworm**[$] · #9 11-09-2005, 08:19 PM

Yes - I agree that the body and the spirit interact.
I think that joy and laughter can be great "medicine", and that stress and anger can cause damage to the body. I can't help but believe, though, that humor is part of the spirit - it effects the body, but it is not "of the body".

Uno · #10 11-10-2005, 04:16 AM

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theworm said

Yes - I agree that the body and the spirit interact.
I think that joy and laughter can be great "medicine", and that stress and anger can cause damage to the body. I can't help but believe, though, that humor is part of the spirit - it effects the body, but it is not "of the body".

If you could observe the frequencies (beyond i beams x etc) that they are not visible from the eye could change thought, is like to say where ends the hand and where begins the arm...
I often insist on the body, because today we have little conscience of the body, we only remember ourselves of having an arm when it makes us badly, with all our gymnasium.
I do not want to convince you or other, we try to speak of this in several speeches, can be that you make to see to me of the things or I to you or both the things

For this it appeals to speak to me

Taurus.. we have eaten spaghetti!! No?

**taurusmoon** · #11 11-10-2005, 06:08 AM

My body might have eaten spaghetti. My spirit ate chocolate.

**theworm**[$] · #12 11-10-2005, 08:08 AM

You and Sara are eating out together! And you didn't invite me.

Uno - we don't have to be so careful with each other - I, too, like hearing other points of views and ideas.

I agree that we generally don't think about our bodies until something goes wrong with it or until we're trying to attract a mate (thats a whole other topic).

I guess I feel like our bodies are temporary - even fleeting, but that our "spirit" or "soul" lives on. When are bodies are gone, I would like to think that our humor can live on - so I agree that there is a strong relationship between body and spirit, but I still think they are separate.

Uno · #13 11-10-2005, 11:44 AM

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theworm said

You and Sara are eating out together! And you didn't invite me.

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theworm said

I guess I feel like our bodies are temporary - even fleeting, but that our "spirit" or "soul" lives on. When are bodies are gone, I would like to think that our humor can live on - so I agree that there is a strong relationship between body and spirit, but I still think they are separate.

Ok i accept your thought
This set up our life, if we think that the spirit is separated, we do not make nothing... however then it will be well... if we think that they are attacks we must prepare one home for the spirit for when this body not there will be...
perhaps you live with little thoughts... perhaps...

**theworm**[$] · #14 11-10-2005, 11:54 AM

I'm not sure I understood what you posted.
I think that the "spirit" maintains the body, and that the "body" helps to maintain the spirit. The spirit or soul, however, is timeless, so that is survives beyond the life of the body. We don't need to prepare another home for the spirit - it is linked to the body, but outlives the body.

Uno · #15 11-10-2005, 01:08 PM

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theworm said

I'm not sure I understood what you posted.
I think that the "spirit" maintains the body, and that the "body" helps to maintain the spirit. The spirit or soul, however, is timeless, so that is survives beyond the life of the body. We don't need to prepare another home for the spirit - it is linked to the body, but outlives the body.

You have reason excuse, the word was not spirit but soul (if the dictionary, or I, does not mistake , means that one that transport feelings humors and other)