Love pure?

[Uno]

It does not exist.
Or in order to say better... exist but it is much rare. there will be a Being on million that can love therefore.
When we say to love a person, a place, an object, an animal etc etc in truth we wait for the return (I do not know if it renders the translation) we love for yuorself (isn't correct but do not know the word exact)
Also when we give one gift to one person, make for we, we are contents that the person is happy, this is not mistaken but we must remember that it is therefore.

[taurusmoon]

I think part of the problem is that we use the word love to mean too many things. I don't know about Italian, but in English, the word is woefully lacking.

The Greeks have four words that break down our one into more precise meanings. The following quote is from an essay on astrology but the archetypal qualities have very broad application.

In a nutshell these four stages of love are:

• Epithemia associated with the fixed Earth Zodiac sign Taurus says: "I love you because you're mine (and because your skin feels awful nice next to mine)..."
• Phileo associated with the fixed Fire Zodiac sign Leo says: "I love you because I love the wonderful, joyous, childlike way I feel when I'm with you..."
• Eros associated with the fixed Water Zodiac sign Scorpio says: "I love you because I love the passionate, intense desire we invoke in each other..."
• Agape associated with the fixed Air Zodiac sign Aquarius says: "I love you because you're completely, totally, uniquely you..."

[theworm[$]]

Good topic Uno!

I agree that, at least in English, the word "love" is overused.

I think most people really don't understand the concept of unconditional love. For many (if not most) love is conditional. I had a hard time with this during my divorce. My X-husband had some serious problems, but I loved him with all my heart. His behavior was unacceptable to me. We get in a rutt where we say "if he loved me, he wouldn't do this". That nonsense.

Unconditional love means not expecting anything back. It also means that it may not be reciprocated or satisfied. I learned the hard way. I loved my husband, but couldn't be with him. Now I have a new "love" with Brian that is completely different and less demanding and beautiful.

I never stopped loving my X, and I don't think that I ever will. I want the best for him, I care about him, my heart breaks for him and the mistakes he makes, but I can not be in a relationship with him.

To love unconditionally means to not expect anything back. It means you allow the other person to make horrible mistakes if they must. If you give a gift of the heart, it is not in hope of getting a gift back.

[eris esoteric]

I don't really believe in unconditional love.

I love my cats because they're warm and furry, and they make me feel good about myself because I know that I'm a good person for taking them in and giving them a better life than they would have had out on the street. And they purr.

I think a lot of love is like that... not so much "conditional," but "reciprocal." I love them because they make me feel better about myself. They love me because they know they can trust me to take care of them and cuddle them.

I think unconditional love is a myth, and it may well be an unhealthy one. For a child to expect unconditional love is reasonable. The child will not understand that that love isn't really unconditional, there's levels and layers that a child simply can't understand. To be an adult, expecting someone to love us without us returning anything or compromising anything in return; that's immature at best. An adult, expecting to be able to love without the object of our love ever needing to give us anything, that's a good path to self destruction.

I love my boyfriend... because of many reasons. One of the most important is that he makes me feel good about myself. I love him because he understands and accepts me. And he loves me for the same reasons.

[Uno]

Other WOW.... with you (Taurus and Wormy) it will not serve more to speak, we are understood very well

Taurus is perfect I knew the Greeks definitions but would have been difficult for write.
What I said: the love pure = unconditional love of Wormy (this definitions also is good) and is similar to Agape, but this (Agape) is a concept like turned towards all, not there is a subject for our love, is love universal.. it is much rare.
the example of Wormy is already an optimal compromise, feels that you are one good person (from when i have arrived on EA ), if the same love of the example were for a person that you do not know would be perfect. If we want just to study the history, however you have this love for your X for merit of the memories, of what you have made with he, no?

If all at least learned to love as the example of Wormy however the world would be better...
not still perfect but better.... a lot...

[Uno]

eris esoteric said

I think unconditional love is a myth, and it may well be an unhealthy one.

Rare yes, but can to be... and even if one does not arrive us can be tried.
Is all a to give and a to have (or possession.... i do not know which is correct) but between 2 what give is a good atmosphere and between 2 what take only?

[Uno]

continuous the speech....

if said i that the body limits how we can love and be loved?
It is a difficult speech but i try also with some example, now we are speaking about love, but this is worth for whichever emotion, the body can to support until to a certain level, after or it finds one via of escape or to be taken ill...
example "from a pain an infarct has come it" but it happens also in a moment of great happiness...

in other thread we could speak about the body and of as these specific mechanisms work

[theworm[$]]

Hhm. I agree when we talk about pain. The body can only sustain a certain amount of emotional pain after which the pain will subside or the person will need medical attention. I don't know about happiness. I don't think there is a limit on how much happiness or love we can feel. If so, we wouldn't be able to love many people - I think we have endless supplies of love to give.

[Uno]

If we consider the things from a dual point of view, one without the other cannot exist, if my body resists to a sure level of pain in the same way it resists to a sure level of pleasure.
Also the modern medicine that does not have much experience (only 300/400 year) it knows that every emotion triggers of the reactions in our body, reactions chemistries, ways of the blood (i have not found the exact word) that are contracted and/or expanded, the heart is subordinate to effort (and it can have an infarct, have you not never felt that a person has had an infarct from the joy?).
The modern medicine..... the ancient traditions they had of the ways, the schools in order to train the persons to exceed the limits you set up from the body, it is not just therefore, in truth they worked completely (spirit, soul and body) on the man.

We put that i come encounter to your thought, we do not think now to the body, what other limits the love that we can give and receive?

[lynnzop[$]]

When I was young and naive, I used to think that there was "one perfect person" for everyone. That if you found that perfect love, you wouldn't have to do anything but be in love.

After one failed marriage and one that's been successful, I now believe that a person can fall in love with darn near anyone and make it a "perfect love" but you have to work at it, no matter what. There's no hearts and flowers and everything is all lovely all the time. Real life gets in the way, and human emotions will take their toll as well.

Unconditional love is what my dog has for me. No matter what I do to him, he'll love me always, just the same. In his own little pea-brain, he may not understand if I hurt him (which I would never do!) but he will still love me. I don't believe there is unconditional love between humans.

"Love pure" may exist, but it is not "love easy". You still have to work at loving someone and getting along.

I'm curious, Uno...what is your romantic status? Are you involved with someone or single? (Not that I am hitting on you , just wondering. )

[Uno]

lynnzop said

I'm curious, Uno...what is your romantic status? Are you involved with someone or single? (Not that I am hitting on you , just wondering. )

Married